TAG Meeting 2023-11-09

Agenda

  • Highlights from summer-time Special Interest Groups
    • API Standard
    • Managed Service Providers
    • Student Information Systems
  • Analytics Middle Tier resuscitated
  • Release cadence revisited, in brief
  • Building a validation ecosystem
    • Should the community do more to share validation processes and knowledge?
    • What tools / practices should the Ed-Fi Alliance consider to facilitate such an exchange?

Materials

Participants

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First NameLast NameOrganization
JoshAllenDenver Public Schools
KathleenBrowningEd-Fi Alliance
DavidClementsEd-Fi Alliance
StephenFuquaEd-Fi Alliance
NateGandomiEd-Fi Alliance
Jean-FrancoisGuertinEdWire
JasonHoekstraEd-Fi Alliance
EricJanssonEd-Fi Alliance
ManuelJaramilloTexas Education Agency
SherodKeenKeen Logic
MikeMinutoEd-Fi Alliance
NaduNairWalla Walla Pubic Schools
OscarOrtegaEdupoint
AndrewRiceEducation Analytics
LucySauraLake Washington School District
SayeeSrinivasanEd-Fi Alliance
MustafaYilmazEd-Fi Alliance
RickThompsonSouth Carolina Department of Education
MaureenWentworthEd-Fi Alliance
MustafaYilmazEd-Fi Alliance

Support: Ann Su

Notes

API Standard SIG

  • Was there discussion around making the API Standard the standard  instead of the Data Standard? → No, did not discuss that.
  • Data Standard is what unifies the work from Ed-Fi 1 through Ed-Fi 3+: moved from XML file exchange based on the standard to web API-based data exchange.
  • Acknowledge it is an important question that should be revisited.
    • Is there a practical way that the Data Standard team could develop the standard from an "API first" perspective?
    • One answer: yes, build an ontology instead of a table model
      • Isn't that what the Ed-Fi Data Model has? An ontology? A database table model is secondary and only in service to the API.
    • Confusion may be in what we call things.
    • The API definition is what ultimately matters even today.
    • Can Open API spec do a good job of representing entity relationships, as the current Data Standard / Data Model do?

Managed Service Providers SIG

  • Release cadence - still has a problem with a gap year.
  • Maybe more correct to say there is a potential misalignment of an Ed-Fi gap year with a state gap year, several years down the line. Extend diagram through 2027-2028 to see the issue.
  • In general we hope that we don't need a Data Standard 6 in 2025. That is, we're not aiming to have breaking changes, just preparing for the possibility.
  • Do states recommend break-rest-rest-break: two rest years? Or break-rest-break-rest?
    • need to gather more facts about this.
  • Three year stability problem as drawn out by Andrew Rice:

Analytics Middle Tier

  • Alliance's recommendation is to go with API-first approach, not direct database access.
  • TAG feedback in the past has been to drop support for AMT.
  • However, we have more AMT users than we realized, as was revealed at the 2023 Summit when we announced an end of support for AMT.
  • All acknowledge that we want to discourage use of AMT. Sense of the meeting was clear: this group prefers that we not release an update with .NET 8 and Data Standard 5 support.
  • What alternatives do we have? Are they easy enough to use?
    • API-to-AMT proof of concept project

      Editorial note: Not listed in the Ed-Fi Exchange. -SF

    • Education Analytics EDU

      Editorial note: I cannot find an EA product called "EDU" on the EA website, and not listed on the Ed-Fi Exchange. -SF

Validation Ecosystem

Ran out of time for discussion.

Next Meeting

 

  1. Release cadence
  2. Future of ODS/API
  3. AMT

Action Items

  • Stephen Fuqua work with Ed-Fi Solutions team to better understand the state release / update cadence and the impact of the current Ed-Fi technology release cadence plan.