TAG Meeting 2023-11-09

TAG Meeting 2023-11-09

Agenda

  • Highlights from summer-time Special Interest Groups

    • API Standard

    • Managed Service Providers

    • Student Information Systems

  • Analytics Middle Tier resuscitated

  • Release cadence revisited, in brief

  • Building a validation ecosystem

    • Should the community do more to share validation processes and knowledge?

    • What tools / practices should the Ed-Fi Alliance consider to facilitate such an exchange?

Materials

Participants

First Name

Last Name

Organization

Josh

Allen

Denver Public Schools

Kathleen

Browning

Ed-Fi Alliance

David

Clements

Ed-Fi Alliance

Stephen

Fuqua

Ed-Fi Alliance

Nate

Gandomi

Ed-Fi Alliance

Jean-Francois

Guertin

EdWire

Jason

Hoekstra

Ed-Fi Alliance

Eric

Jansson

Ed-Fi Alliance

Manuel

Jaramillo

Texas Education Agency

Sherod

Keen

Keen Logic

Mike

Minuto

Ed-Fi Alliance

Nadu

Nair

Walla Walla Pubic Schools

Oscar

Ortega

Edupoint

Andrew

Rice

Education Analytics

Lucy

Saura

Lake Washington School District

Sayee

Srinivasan

Ed-Fi Alliance

Mustafa

Yilmaz

Ed-Fi Alliance

Rick

Thompson

South Carolina Department of Education

Maureen

Wentworth

Ed-Fi Alliance

Mustafa

Yilmaz

Ed-Fi Alliance

Support: Ann Su

Notes

API Standard SIG

  • Was there discussion around making the API Standard the standard  instead of the Data Standard? → No, did not discuss that.

  • Data Standard is what unifies the work from Ed-Fi 1 through Ed-Fi 3+: moved from XML file exchange based on the standard to web API-based data exchange.

  • Acknowledge it is an important question that should be revisited.

    • Is there a practical way that the Data Standard team could develop the standard from an "API first" perspective?

    • One answer: yes, build an ontology instead of a table model

      • Isn't that what the Ed-Fi Data Model has? An ontology? A database table model is secondary and only in service to the API.

    • Confusion may be in what we call things.

    • The API definition is what ultimately matters even today.

    • Can Open API spec do a good job of representing entity relationships, as the current Data Standard / Data Model do?

Managed Service Providers SIG

  • Release cadence - still has a problem with a gap year.

  • Maybe more correct to say there is a potential misalignment of an Ed-Fi gap year with a state gap year, several years down the line. Extend diagram through 2027-2028 to see the issue.

  • In general we hope that we don't need a Data Standard 6 in 2025. That is, we're not aiming to have breaking changes, just preparing for the possibility.

  • Do states recommend break-rest-rest-break: two rest years? Or break-rest-break-rest?

    • need to gather more facts about this.

  • Three year stability problem as drawn out by Andrew Rice:

Analytics Middle Tier

  • Alliance's recommendation is to go with API-first approach, not direct database access.

  • TAG feedback in the past has been to drop support for AMT.

  • However, we have more AMT users than we realized, as was revealed at the 2023 Summit when we announced an end of support for AMT.

  • All acknowledge that we want to discourage use of AMT. Sense of the meeting was clear: this group prefers that we not release an update with .NET 8 and Data Standard 5 support.

  • What alternatives do we have? Are they easy enough to use?

    • API-to-AMT proof of concept project

    • Education Analytics EDU

Validation Ecosystem

Ran out of time for discussion.

Next Meeting

Jan 18, 2024 

  1. Release cadence

  2. Future of ODS/API

  3. AMT

Action Items

@Stephen Fuqua work with Ed-Fi Solutions team to better understand the state release / update cadence and the impact of the current Ed-Fi technology release cadence plan.